Microsoft Flight


We're happy to announce our newest downloadable plane, the Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero, available tomorrow in our Marketplace. Congratulations to everyone who correctly identified the Zero in response to our Friday plane teaser post! We'll be giving away a free Zero to the first person to guess correctly here on the blog, as well as the first person with the correct guess on our Facebook page.


The Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero was the primary fighter of the Japanese Navy Air Service from 1940 to 1945, and when introduced was considered the most capable carrier-based fighter in the world. This download captures the essence of the agile light-weight fighter, which makes it perfect for challenges requiring speed and high maneuverability. This is an external-only aircraft model. No cockpit view is included.

The Zero will be available for download March 28, 2012.



March 27, 2012 5:55 PM

More half finished plane ?? No interrest in this, sorry :)

March 27, 2012 5:58 PM

no more old planes. we'd like jets or turboprops

March 27, 2012 5:59 PM

No cockpit view is included. = No money from RazorHawg703

March 27, 2012 6:01 PM

Looks like another interesting fast plane!

But guys, there is a big call-out for jets and modern planes.  I appreciate the inclusion of the ultra-modern Icon A5 in the base pack.  But there are a lot of infrequently sim'd planes you could create for the game!  Stuff like the Learjet 85  which would be awesome to have a cockpit view for as well!

Also would like to see more planes with interior cockpits!

Looking forward to Alaska!

March 27, 2012 6:03 PM

Can`t believe you are releasing something like this...

We can`t do anything with the Mustang, what shall we do with this?

Is there at least any new content coming along with this aircr... ehh-  external model?

March 27, 2012 6:06 PM

Thank you!

I wish it had a cockpit view but I'll take it.

March 27, 2012 6:07 PM


March 27, 2012 6:09 PM

have to agree with some comments about cockpit even if they sound like a 8 year old posting.  I tend to fly inside and outside only does not appeal that much.  one thing with original flight sim was all planes had cockpits other than a few custom made planes from other people.

March 27, 2012 6:10 PM

Yap! not interested in a old war bird, I don't need another tail dragger with bad steering and maybe no cockpit.

If this plane has no cockpit I'm out for good and won't look back at Flight, but still not buying that plane even with a cockpit.

I atleast want a 172 or similar, I hate that I'm still waiting for something worth while.

Oh! and I won't post on facebook, cause I find Flight embarrassing and don't want my freinds to see that I even have Flight.

March 27, 2012 6:10 PM

#disappointed  Why release a model with no cockpit... and all this time i thought the P-51 was a fluke.  Is this the Microsoft I used to know?

March 27, 2012 6:14 PM

Oh maybe they will release a cockpit package in 2 months for the P51 and Zero... For a low low price of $19.95.

March 27, 2012 6:14 PM

This is really disappointing Microsoft.

I am a warbird fan through and through, but the current state of Flight (as a non-combat sim) doesn't warrant the release of two WWII aircraft, especially since neither has a virtual cockpit. Both are effectively useless - neither lend themselves to island-hopping around a setting of modern Hawaii.

I have purchased all paid add-ons for Flight so far, but with the release of the Zero will definitely withhold any further expenditure until some sensible and relevant aircraft are released. The community is crying out for a modern jet, some big iron or just a light helicopter to get some of those existing Aerocaches that you already claim can only be reached by helicopter... and yet you release *this*?

Really poor show Microsoft, very uninspiring.

March 27, 2012 6:14 PM

"This is an external-only aircraft model. No cockpit view is included" I'm out, F U Microsoft.

Anyone who buys this plane, desirves this plane, bye and F U

March 27, 2012 6:16 PM

Nice model but I won't be buying it if there's no cockpit. Sorry.

March 27, 2012 6:22 PM

boo hoo

March 27, 2012 6:36 PM

No Cockpit - No Money.

Mr Rush
March 27, 2012 6:38 PM

What's the point of a hollow plane?

March 27, 2012 7:00 PM

I too am a little disappointed with the current offerings from Flight. It's unfortunate that you asked the community for feedback and have not seemed to follow through with what has been said. I love Flight, it has so much potential. The Dev team needs to look at release priorities. When is Alaska due? Give us a hint so I can keep hanging on. I want so much to keep playing but there is nothing here to keep my interest.

March 27, 2012 7:03 PM

Another fumble by the Flight team.  

More grumblings and yawns from us.  

Are they even listening to the feedback on their blog?  Or do they assume we are all just a bunch of "haters"?

What they don't seem to realize is that those of us who bother to write comments are the people who care the most about the product.  We *want* the product to be good.

It's not like we're on here looking for technical support, or complaining about being "ripped off", since many of us haven't spent any money on the game yet, so don't feel a grievance.

At this point, most of these blog posts seem to be Flight Simulator fans telling the dev team what we're willing to pay for, which is realism and detail (for planes, missions, and scenery).  

...but the dev team just isn't listening.

For the Nth time, what we all seem to want is more *depth*, and less cheap plastic packaging.  Face it, the Zero is only good for YouTube clips aiming desperately to entice non-simmers.  But those non-simmers are unlikely to spend money on a non-combat flight sim.  Those of us who are commenting on this blog *are* the ones likely to spend money!  So why is the dev team refusing to listen?

The only hope at this point is that the DLC and blog trickle schedule was determined long ago, and that nothing we're saying now will have a chance to affect development until the pre-launch/pre-feedback trickle is complete.  Maybe Alaska will be the "grand finale" of the initial trickle?  We'll see.  Or will we?  Will Flight be canceled due to low sales before they have a chance to close the feedback latency gap?

Is that the dev team's hope?  That we'll shell out for the lame initial DLC in order to support their *future* efforts?  Do consumers really think that far ahead???  And do we really have that much faith in a dev team which seems to completely ignore us?

March 27, 2012 7:07 PM

Impossible worst marketing.

Disappointed at all.

I will not buy one plane without cockpit.

ATC, LIVE, ETC .... This is the correct path.


March 27, 2012 7:13 PM

I think some of the comments here are a *little* bit immature.

But we need cockpits, that's a definite must.

I am waiting on the Alaska DLC before I spend more money though.  If that is a good pack with some good new plane/s, then this game could be saved :)

March 27, 2012 7:29 PM

This "game" is dead to me

March 27, 2012 7:32 PM

Please, for the love of god...nobody buy this, IT IS A TRAP!  Let them know that exterior only models are NOT OK!

March 27, 2012 7:33 PM

Braincase3, please watch your language.

March 27, 2012 7:40 PM

Thank you for the warning, I just think M$ is doing a diservice to many.....

March 27, 2012 7:41 PM

Count me out.... from now on I leave the no cockpit airplanes out, they are no fun and I cannot do anything with it !  Come on microsoft stop teasing us with this kind of have baked garbage .

March 27, 2012 7:44 PM

I'll wait for the next release.  Hopfully something that can carry more passengers/cargo.  And a cockpit.

March 27, 2012 7:46 PM

@Andragon , when they release Alaska they will most likely of left all of the surrounding airports and city's out of the download... What a shame how this New flight has ended up being miss managed and half baked product !

March 27, 2012 7:47 PM

@braincase3 well put !

March 27, 2012 7:57 PM

Overall I am enjoying Flight quite a bit, but I am very puzzled why another no-cockpit aircraft would be released.  Not my cup of tea at all!  

March 27, 2012 7:57 PM

I love Flight but this absolutely not the kind of plane i expect to fly. I preffer a good multiprop like DHC-6 (and ATC !!!) or a BE-58.

For aerobatics and fun flight, why not a Super-Decathlon, or an Extra ? (or, be crazy, a Cap 232 if you want to be loved for ever by french !!)

March 27, 2012 7:58 PM

Things I love about Flight:

1) Quality focused and localised scenery.

2) Excellent visual and audio effects.

3) Superb immersion and aerodynamic modelling.

4) Aerocaches, missions, challenges and the job board.

5) The Vans RV-6 and Icon A5 which are both beautifully executed.

6) Being able to walk about.

Things that I would really like to see in Flight:

1) No more "exterior only" aircraft.

2) Interactive Air Traffic Control, air traffic, airport traffic, road traffic, marine traffic and bird / marine wildlife added.

3) Optional autopilot, GPS, VFR/IFR flight plans and multi-player cockpit sharing.

4) Helicopters, twin-engined GA aircraft and at least one business jet.

5) Pilot avatar personalisation.

6) Visual representation of pilot, co-pilot, passengers and cargo in the aircraft.

March 27, 2012 7:58 PM

I certainly won't be buying it.  If I wanted an exterior only model of a Zero, I would go and buy a Hasegawa 1/72nd scale model; at least that way I get the joy of customizing it.  I know that MS has misled several into accidentally buying the P-51 and to me is seems like they are trying it again.  Even if the Zero had a cockpit I would not buy it...what purpose does it serve? A few missions then you are done done with it?  How many Zeros' are in Alaska? how many flying Zeros' are really in Hawaii for that matter.  Flight, if this is the best you can do, you have dissapointed and dishonered the long running franchise known as MSF(S).  I do not blame the development team, I blame the leaders and supervisors whom are running this into the ground, fast.  At this pace, before long Flight will be nothing more than a "Smoking Hole" (A little referance from Flight Unlimited, which at this point was/is a better game).

March 27, 2012 7:59 PM

Ummm.. This is terrible. Let me introduce you to the Microsoft Flight team, a team who doesnt care about what there customers are saying. Releasing this feels like a slap in the face. Thanks. Better have something up your sleeve with the alaska dlc.

March 27, 2012 8:03 PM

I have to echo the complaints about the lack of a cockpit. It's certainly strange when you fly the P51 and turn your POV 180 deg to see your plane flying behind you.

But I'm glad to see another historical aircraft. I prefer the older planes, and I have no use for jets. I'd like to see some older civilian planes that are better suited to the island hopping tasks in Flight.

March 27, 2012 8:08 PM

Seriously?  Another worthless RC toy?  How about offering us some FINISHED aircraft?  A lot of us will actually BUY those.

Please tell me this is an early April Fools joke.

March 27, 2012 8:11 PM

RoboRay, I hope you are right about the April fools....  The Zero is so ludicrous it is almost funny.

March 27, 2012 8:13 PM

THANK YOU!!! MS Flight for creating the A6M5 Zero (Zeke). I wanted to say THANK YOU over all the ungrateful and unthankful band of whiners here.

Here's a great video on this amazing aircraft:

Again, THANK YOU! And I WILL purchase it.

March 27, 2012 8:17 PM

There goes my support for Microsoft Flight. Truly sad to see these planes being released without cockpits. I've not seen one request for an A6M2...why not listen to what the community actually wants.?

March 27, 2012 8:18 PM

No decent cockpit = no buy. Love the Maule and RV-6, would have loved the zero. Sad.

March 27, 2012 8:18 PM


I'm very dissapointed about this cockpit-less plane. :(

March 27, 2012 8:21 PM

Not really interested in ANOTHER plane with no cockpit. It's a really nice looking plane but I'm going to wait for the Alaska DLC.

March 27, 2012 8:22 PM


There is nothing wrong with a Zero (besides its odd placement in a civil aviation game).  It is that fact that it is a toy model.  No depth, no challenge, no fun.

March 27, 2012 8:22 PM

Guys there is a great sim out there at the moment called FSX by Microsoft you should try it.

It has loads of planes half decent scenery 3rd party add-ons can help here.I think it is coming out soon for pc looking forward to it. i did try that Flight from Microsoft but couldnt believe how bad it was,constantly trapped in a place called Hawai I think its a small off-world planet somewhere.However in the "new" fsx you can fly anywhere in the world,planes have cockpits,scenery is more realistic,roads have cars,the skies have AI planes in.Its called progress I CAN'T believe I tried Flight so sterile. You won't want to fly anywhere else ...well maybe x-plane 10 ......oh the Irony

March 27, 2012 8:28 PM

Zero = Zero interest any sucker actually gonna PAY !!!!! for this please let me know.

C'mon guys this is a con.Please can we start a petition for FSX 2012 I can go along with the dlc being MS exclusive but please give me my flight sim back the way its meant to be.

Anyone with me?

March 27, 2012 8:28 PM

Until I see some decent stuff, I'm afraid I'm sticking to X-plane or FSX.  Its not what type of plane, or where the scenery is, its the quality.  Non working instruments and no-cockpit aircraft are useless for any but the xbox crowd

March 27, 2012 8:32 PM

I think even the x-box crowd expect a little more...

March 27, 2012 8:34 PM

The game hasn’t even been out a month yet, I think there building a game for a new population and us older alike and slowly introducing the game to new users, easy to land planes, some fighter selections, get them into it, ya’know.

I quit playing FSX as much because I felt like an idiot most times or just get frustrated to no end, I can see where there going, and I agree with some comments above but I have faith in the game to expand over time.

The game has great potential, I for one will give it more time and buy the new plane, and you know if they replied even once they would be torn to pieces, but you can bet they are taking in the feedback.

Thanks for the new plane…

March 27, 2012 8:38 PM


From all those thousands of comments and sugestions posted since the release of the game, you guys managed to release the one thing NOBODY wants! Another p51!

Oh, I can´t wait to give you guys my money, doesn´t matter how much...just say a number...i´ll pay!!

Well, since nobody from MS reads the posts......stay tunned guys, in my next post i´ll post my grandma's waffle recipe!!!

March 27, 2012 8:38 PM

I hate to say it everyone, but Microsoft doesn't care about any of us.  Just look at their first few sentences of each post they make a general statement to the public.  Also, if they did read ANY of these post, you would think they would take the time and post themselves to acknowledge they are at least human and hear us, but no, all they do is put up 'news feed posts' and never respond to the customers.  

Oh well, I thought I would give this game a shot, hell, I even paid for all the content thinking that this would be an excellent game after a few weeks.  What a disappointment, the only thing they have done is going to release ONE plane with an EXTERIOR view only.....I regret ever giving this game a shot, the ONLY reason I got on here today, was to see if there was anything new, and this is all I see.  

Good Bye Microsoft Flight, you had a really good chance at proving you could take this game to the next level in entertaining simulations, but FS X has, and probably will stay this franchises high point.

March 27, 2012 8:40 PM

Esperantum, you wont believe me, but I've been craving waffles for awhile now, but need a good recipe, PLEASE SHARE.......and I'm not kidding, I want some good waffles

March 27, 2012 8:42 PM

I hope they are taking in the feedback.  I am a gamer, but I still like realism; A plane without a cockpit is FUBAR.  If the studio that made Forza is the twin studio to the one that made Flight, clearly we got the Danny DeVito side of the deal.  I want Flight to be a successful good game, but if they keep shooting themselves in the foot there will be no one left to see it to the end.

March 27, 2012 8:45 PM

Haha! I knew it was the zero, I knew it!

I was so sure about it despites all the wrong guesses!

But I was the second one to guess it....

So I am so sad...:(

Could you please give it to me anyway? Because I gave clear explanations why I thought it is a zero: the cone and the engine. I didn't only gave the answer.

Please please MS flight team!

March 27, 2012 8:48 PM


I know exactly what you mean, I had a PS3 with Gran Turismo 5 thinking its going to be the BEST GAME EVER.  Well, it was great, but come on, only 1/5 of the cars have detailed interiors, and less than half actually have a great exterior quality?!?!  

I played it for awhile, but then, when Forza 4 came out.....Bye PS3, hello 360!!!

EVERY CAR of the 600+ have BEAUTIFUL exterior AND interior views.  Not all the cars sound like rice rockets......

But then the SAME STUDIO creates this!?!?!?!  I'm HOPING they are a seperate division, cause I'm looking forward to the Porsche DLC in May, AND horizon later this year.....I dont want a bunch of cars that have only exterior views.....for the love of god, they better not go backwards in development!

March 27, 2012 8:49 PM

Just remember if you purchase this "plane" your getting a "half plane". Half planes are for "half flying". Thus the "half" the enjoyment and immersion. This no-cockpit stuff doesnt seem to fit in Flights world. Flight is too well done to be cutting itself short with this sort of thing.

March 27, 2012 8:50 PM

Okay Flight let's get a little better here. I was very excited with the coming of Alaska DLC. I have been using flight as my visual world and I have enjoyed the scenery thoroughly. I have purchased everything and I love the all the aircraft. The P51 is just great to fly with the HUD. tree tops, beaches, rocky shores, mountains, canyons all just great. I am very hooked on the Aerocaches and I have completed them all. I must tell you I tried about 25 times to get the Aerocache at Wailea Falls and I just couldn't do a loop low enough to get that sucker, so I landed on one of the nearby hill tops and that in it self was not easy. then I got out of the plane and walked for about 15 minutes to the base of the falls and I got my Aerocache. Yahoo.

I have been an avid flight simmer and I run FS9 and FSX, just love the PMDG 737NGX and of course the iFly 737, but every day I fly in Flight for the fun.

I must admit though that Alaska should have been next !

March 27, 2012 8:52 PM


Guess what I did today!  I took our ducks outside for most of the day and it was so cool with them just following me everywhere......

......Figure i'll change the topic, Microsoft isnt going to read these, might as well make these post be about happy things

March 27, 2012 8:52 PM

OK, Juniorkirk87...actually i´ll post the recipe in dlc packs!

The first ingredient i´ll release for free.........FLOUR!!! I will not post the amount because it is a new "arcade" tipe of cooking!

Next month i´ll release another ingredient WITH THE AMOUNT, for those "hardcore" chefs!!Stay tunned!!

(just kidding, as i actually read the post i´ll go get the recipe and post a little later....just let me find it)

March 27, 2012 8:53 PM


How did you get the Aerocache at ~80,000 feet?!?!?!

March 27, 2012 8:58 PM


OMG!!! You MUST work for Microsoft!!!  Only releasing a little at a time, but never enough to actually make me happy!!!!  LOL

Here is the recipe (game),  first you add flour (plane), but not the amount (no interior view)....

Next ingredient (plane) will be in the DLC but I'll probably have to pay out the a$$ for it, but I'm REALLY craving some waffles, so I'll probably fork it over.......'just hope i get the amount with the next ingredient' (can kinda guess at the flour on the consistency of the batter

March 27, 2012 8:59 PM

New Corvalis TTX With Garmin G2000 And Please Microsoft Flight Add Create New Corvalis TTX With Garmin G2000 DLC Ok.

March 27, 2012 9:00 PM

ouch - even gamers don't want a plane with no cockpit

I bought the P-51 because I thought only the "preview" version had no cockpit...

Then I figured that maybe a cockpit might one day be offered for it, and shelved it

Now I see that you at MS intend to release half finished models for ...some reason

Bad Idea - in fact - I am slowly becoming far less enthusiastic about Flight the more I

read from the interviews and remarks of the leadership of Flight and in light of this

questionable release.

March 27, 2012 9:02 PM

@FlightCanada - Ha! That's my strategy, too, for the waterfall caches - a hike through the jungle.

But how'd you get the SR-71 cache? I can't coax the P-51 to get much beyond 35K feet.

March 27, 2012 9:03 PM

They have been taking notes from Captain Sim, except as far as I can tell they have no plans to go finish the plane at a later date.  That's good MS, take a polar 3rd party developer and model only half (the bad half) of their business plan.  Hey, at least people are talking about Flight, even if it is mostly negative.

March 27, 2012 9:12 PM


Every 3 months i´ll release one part of the stove and frying pan!

March 27, 2012 9:24 PM

@juniorkirk87, wow thats fantastic, ducks are great, I went grocery shopping I actually started turning on hawaiian music in the background and started taking the maule on some gorgeous low flights across the shore of hawai. Really neat effect it has. Since they arent listening lets everyone go off and name their pets and tell us about there favorite super heroes. Or lets talking about what might really be going on, I think the Microsoft Flight team's computers have become self aware, they have killed all the flight team employees or have them held hostage and all we are seeing is automation! Or worse! The computers hate humans so they are gonna take all the cockpits out of the airplanes!!!! Omg!!! 2012 is here

March 27, 2012 9:31 PM

If you want a good waffle, go to IHOP, they will give you a plate, a waffle, and some fruit topping..  If MS was running a restaurant they would give you a plate, some fruit topping and politely tell you to "pretend the waffle is there".  Never Never food is great!

March 27, 2012 9:31 PM

Seriously?! You lot are just having a laugh now. If and when i fly a war bird i do it on cliffs of dover or rise of flight. YOU and by you I mean the developers and programmers want to bring the experience of flight to a new demographic by what I'm seeing YOU are trying to ruin the joy and experience of flight for the masses instead of instilling any joy.

Mans fascination with flight has come a long way since the first aircraft and by removing the fundamental essence of an aircraft and "dumbing it down" so joe soap can have a go is just ludicrous. As a working tax paying aviation enthusiast willing to spend money i want a product worthy of my hard earned money. So far you've supplied us with two aircraft that all be they iconic were notoriously hard to fly and not having a cockpit is just criminal.

For any young mind to become engrossed in something as majestic as flight the real difficulties that go with it also need to be included. If it were up to me and others like me you would not only be drawing more people in you would also attempt to educate and challenge them in fun and interesting ways.

YOU have a novel approach but I believe you have missed the runway all together!

Half the fun of flight is the struggle in obtaining it, overcoming the obstacle of how it works and why is a reward far greater than some lousy and useless experience points.

March 27, 2012 9:33 PM


I have 12 ducks, 3 dogs and a cat.  Dogs are Ella, Sasha, and Rocky.  Cat's name is Gracey.  Ducks are Banana, Rudolph, Big Brown, Benedick, Daisy, Duke, Chevy, Hawkeye, Ladybug, Piper (after the plane, i just know he is going to be a good flyer), Screwball, Quacker.  

As far as super heroes, that's pretty easy....I love flying so I love the ones that can fly.  Superman, Green Lantern, Batman (cant fly, but he does have that AWESOME plane....and TONS of money)

I think you may be right about their computers becoming self aware, everything does seem automated that they post.....and I think if they are self aware, they would hate us humans, we can do things that would take computers AGES to figure out how to do, like walking, moving, seeing properly, etc....

Oh, this is so much more fun than playing Flight, at least here there is someone new almost every time i press F5

March 27, 2012 9:37 PM

the majority gamers want a challenge, MS doesn't seem to realize this.  They would rather create Farmville of the skies.  They should take some tops from the studio behind Halo and Forza, the only games that MS has made that have even come close to being what I would consider fun.

March 27, 2012 9:39 PM


You just gave me a GREAT idea that MS will never know cause they dont read these.....

Add a setting to have "arcade" flying style (the style that is only available right now on Flight), AND "simulation" flying style, one that makes it so the plane handles like a REAL plane, and REAL pilots would love to fly.  I've personally NEVER flown a REAL plane, but I have flown the simulator at University of St. Louis where my cousin went and got me a chance to have a go at it.  Let me tell you.....if that simulator is ANYTHING like real life, my goal has changed from buying a 2012 Corvette ZR-1 to buying a plane.

March 27, 2012 9:40 PM


MS has made a HUGE challenge in this game.......trying to get a P-51 to go over 80,000 feet to get the ONLY aerocache that is, right now, IMPOSSIBLE to get.

March 27, 2012 9:41 PM

I've enjoyed playing around with Flight so far and have all the DLC except the Zero. I think I will pass on spending anymore money until we get some decent panels with some avionics. Non functional GPS and Autopilots are pretty lame. Love the Maule and RV6...but I really hope the team has some updates in the works for better avionics and panels.

March 27, 2012 9:42 PM

Cheat... it's the only way.  An impossible challenge is not a challenge, just an annoyance.

March 27, 2012 9:44 PM

@juniorkirk87 wow you have alot of animals, I have a lab named daisey such a sweet dog as most labs are, and I have a dachsund named sebastian he is a real jerk I mostly just call him " weinie man". Favorite super hero would have to charlie sheen. Hes got it made. Not sure about the computers.. Maybe flight isnt real and we are just test subjects deep in microsofts laboratory. We are probably being tested to see how frustrated you make customers before they go crazy.

March 27, 2012 9:45 PM

Pffff !!!!

An aircraft... A old one with no cockpit... Come on !!!

Please don't do that !!!

I was supporting you from the beginning, but now I don't understand you strategy...

Hope there will be another plane in Alaska DLC...

Please guys wake up !!!

March 27, 2012 9:46 PM


(I'm doing this for the weekly challenge, so MS can bug off, mine is a good one)

Anyone who can CHEAT to get the "curvature of the earth" aerocache (WITHOUT using photoshop or any other photo editing software), PLEASE post up a picture.  Out of the SURE joy of seeing someone do this, I will buy someone the new Zero.  It has to be hacked and you must TRULY CHEAT to win this prize.  

March 27, 2012 9:47 PM

Can I get my money back for Hawaii?, I don't want it anymore.  I bought it under false pretence that you guys were going to actually expand the game, not at glorified flyable AI airplanes.

March 27, 2012 9:47 PM

Now surely your starting to see your mistake's on the development side of your strategy? You devs know MS Flight could really be something grand, and turn this around MS is huge make Flight a huge success !

March 27, 2012 9:48 PM

@ Juniorkirk

March 27, 2012 9:52 PM

@Braincase3 and Juniorkirk87

Lol! Of course you can go to IHOP, but it wouldn´t be MG Waffle (my grandma's waffle), with 70 years of experience developing waffles!

Ok, after a lot of negotiation, MG Waffle's chose not to follow the Microsoft marketing approach, it is:


Serves: 4

250g (9 oz) plain flour

1 dessertspoon baking powder

2 tablespoons caster sugar

1 teaspoon salt

450ml (16 fl oz) semi skimmed milk

2 eggs

2 tablespoons vegetable oil

Preparation method

Prep: 5 mins | Cook: 10 mins

1.In a large bowl, stir together flour, baking powder, sugar and salt. Add milk, eggs and oil; mix well.

2.Pour desired amount of batter onto hot waffle iron. Cook until golden brown.



March 27, 2012 9:52 PM

this is plain stupid, is like buying a car with no steering wheel, not buying this crap untill they put a cockpit

March 27, 2012 9:59 PM


It said I could download it, and I did, but where to i put the files!?!?! I want to give this one a go myself

March 27, 2012 10:00 PM

Oh ya, I'm gonna make those waffles tomorrow morning.  Thank you NON Microsoft staff member

March 27, 2012 10:01 PM

Don't know, never tried it.  If I am going to climb to 80k it will be in a plane the is actually capable of doing it.

March 27, 2012 10:02 PM

I do hope that this will be the last external only airplane for a while.  Given the teaser shot, I was hoping for a nice DHC-2.  Even a Zero with a VC would have been interesting enough.

I really do want to like Flight, and to an extent I already do, but I don't understand some of the decisions that have been made.

March 27, 2012 10:04 PM

we are going to need some more free planes!!

March 27, 2012 10:05 PM

I'm not paying FOR THIS ***!

March 27, 2012 10:05 PM

The decisions being made are a terrible mistake being carried out by Joshua Howard.  Right now I like him about as much as I like Jack Thompson.

March 27, 2012 10:06 PM

Oh, you can add Lamar Smith to that list of dislikes.

March 27, 2012 10:09 PM

How about a JOKE contest?

OK, Microsoft started with the ZERO joke...who can beat it?

March 27, 2012 10:10 PM

Microsoft.... That is a joke in and of itself.

March 27, 2012 10:11 PM

This is very disappointing :( ... I'm just speechless...

March 27, 2012 10:15 PM


The thing you can download is a free flight save where you are at about 84,000 feet in a Icon.  Thing is, you CAN'T get to the aerocache.  The engine wont start up on the plane, and you are in a free fall.

My offer still stands, if ANYONE can cheat their way in the game to getting the "curvature of the earth" aerocache, I will buy them the new Zero

March 27, 2012 10:17 PM

I don't understand why another WW2 fighter would be added? We already have one. What about the other aircraft types.. helicopter, jet, trainer, cargo, passenger...!? I've held my tongue through all the negative commentary, trying to accept the new style experience (less simulator, more game) but I admit this has baffled me. Geez.

March 27, 2012 10:20 PM

Disappointing. I really hope this isn't an indication of whats to come...

1. We don't need another plane without a cockpit.

2. We don't need another WW2 plane

3. We don't need more taildraggers

It is getting close to april first. this is the joke right? :)

March 27, 2012 10:21 PM

I just don't get it.

March 27, 2012 10:23 PM

If this was an "April's Fool" prank, they would tell us that they have a new DLC for all the players out there that has 10 new planes, to include 3 Jets, 3 helicopters, 4 military planes (one being the SR-71 so you can get that dang aerocache), and all of them have full cockpit views.

Then comes April first and they say "JUST KIDDING, here's the Zero with no interior"

Slick Tonz
March 27, 2012 10:35 PM

Yes, just to put my dissappointment in writing too. WHY MICROSOFT???? WHY??? Happy April Fools' day to you too!  Surely if the number of "gamers" or "sim'ers" buying this new plane is way low - the Dev's will get the message.

March 27, 2012 10:37 PM

@Slick Tonz

I don't think they will.  I bet their train of thought is something like this "Well, if they don't buy it, we wont have money to develop better things for the game."  Which is a sad way to think.

March 27, 2012 10:53 PM

My motto is tail draggers forever but only if they have a VC. If a cockpit is offered for the zero I will buy it . A DC3 would be nice or perhaps a Howard 500

March 27, 2012 11:20 PM


Everyone, go check this flash animation out.  The first thing i thought of when they started talking about DLC was "hey, this video is JUST LIKE Flight"

March 27, 2012 11:21 PM

A Zero??  No cockpit??  First dlc plane after the initial releases?  I'm trying to imagine what you guys are thinking.  I cannot.

March 27, 2012 11:22 PM

Really sad that the Flight team is ignoring us on the no cockpit, really disappointed such a shame too since flight is a really pretty gaming engine, and after the p-51 why would we want a zero?

March 27, 2012 11:22 PM

I'm sorry but I find it somewhat offensive that you build the very aircraft that was used to destroy Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941. Do you not have any sense of loyalty as Americans? seriously..

Eungki Lee
March 27, 2012 11:25 PM

Its perfect for a trip from Hawaii to Alaska. It have a range of about 1650 NM.

March 27, 2012 11:29 PM

Although I want to encourage you to keep developing planes, I WILL NOT PAY FOR ANOTHER EXTERNAL MODEL PLANE!

This is a disgrace team, the most consistent feedback you have received is that nobody wants external only models. As you are aware, I have been involved in MS Flight since the beginning and know you have been told time and time again that people want ATC, more modern planes and NO EXTERNAL MODELS!!!!!

You are so close to having a runaway success if you just stopped wasting our time.

I will definitely be buying Alaska, I will also definitely be buying any ATC or similar packs you put out and any 'deluxe' models you release. I will never buy one of these hopeless, half finished models as a deterrent to stop you wasting effort on them instead of what users actually want.

Eungki Lee
March 27, 2012 11:36 PM

I think they chose that aircraft because they want to forgive the Japanese.

March 27, 2012 11:40 PM

Flight Canada, et al

Wailea Falls, come from behind it in a Stearman.

March 27, 2012 11:43 PM

Microsoft, doesn't it make sense that if the plane had a cockpit:

1) MANY more people would buy it

2) You could increase the price?

If the P-51 had a cockpit, not only would I have bought it, but I would've bought it for double the price that it currently sells for.

Eungki Lee
March 27, 2012 11:45 PM

I like this because its fast and perfect for a trip from Hawaii to Alaska. I think it will take 10 minutes to go to Alaska from the Northern most place in Hawaii.

Eungki Lee
March 27, 2012 11:51 PM

You can add the Cockpit view later.

Eungki Lee
March 27, 2012 11:53 PM

less than 8 minutes to wait until it will be released.

March 27, 2012 11:53 PM

I purchased all previous downloadable content mainly to show my support for an unfinished game with a great potential.

This long waited plane is a HUGE disappointment! I will not buy another DLC until Microsoft starts listening to what we have to say.

Ideally I would like to see at least one airplane with cockpit every two weeks. I would also like to be able to fly above 20,000 ft.

Regarding challenges, I would like to see some emergency challenges such as engine failure, landing gear failure, etc.

March 27, 2012 11:54 PM

matches the mustang.

Mustangvs. Zero

March 28, 2012 12:01 AM

If nobody buys the Zero, will they get the message?  C'mon people, let's send a message! I don't want another external only plane!!

Eungki Lee
March 28, 2012 12:02 AM

I'm counting

March 28, 2012 12:25 AM


Take the Mustang, put a new skin on it, dumb down the specs and sell it as a new airplane. I've already wasted my money on one "External Only" aircraft. Won't do it again.

I am REALLY not liking the direction the development team is taking this game. Not only has it become boring and no longer a challenge, but it feels like the developers have started phoning it in. So much promise in the beginning and so much disappointment now.

At least the ONE rescue mission was kinda interesting. BTW, I have never been detected while flying a "clandestine" mission. During the day, 5,000 feet with all the lights on. Nothing. How is that a challenge? How is any of this a challenge for anyone over the age of six?

March 28, 2012 12:30 AM

WOW Flight is awesome.

March 28, 2012 12:34 AM

No cockpit view is included. = No money

No interrest in this........ what are you Devs thinking??

March 28, 2012 1:04 AM

O profound pity!

Sky blossom with no VC,

I cannot buy you.

(Ritual death poem of a virtual Zero pilot)

March 28, 2012 1:27 AM

No cockpit, no go. I bought Mustang by mistake. Only flew it once. For WWII aircraft I run IL2-1946.

March 28, 2012 1:49 AM

I cannot belive it that Microsoft releases such a "THING" to us... It's better to release nothing and post on the Blog why than releasing such a disrespecting thing against the Community!

Especially in this early days of Flight, it's SO IMPORTANT to make good releases. Otherwise the People will drop it like a hot stone after they played the initial content.

Dear Microsoft, if you think this is the right way - Congratulations for making so much PR for a Product you are beating yourself if you go on like this...

Regards, FM1811

March 28, 2012 1:51 AM

No money from me this time!

We had to wait about a month to get another WW2 plane without a cockpit view? Oh no!

Even if I will buy this plane I don't know what to do with it! Flight gets boring!

Please add life to this game!

March 28, 2012 2:01 AM

Not interested in warbirds, another taildragger or external only aircraft....and I would venture to say I am not in the minority.  ;-)

March 28, 2012 2:21 AM

Sure, guys, you did the greate job, all your aircrafts are awesome. And i'm almost ready to buy this one, but i don't understand how can can i use this plane in the game. What new achievements will be open or some interesting jobs will be avaliable?

And what's the difference between this A6M2 and P-51?

March 28, 2012 2:37 AM

NO cockpit, no buy.

March 28, 2012 2:51 AM

I would't download it even if it was free.

Very bad move from the MS dev team.

You guys are digging your own hole.

Flusi Pidder
March 28, 2012 3:03 AM

130 comments here, more than 99% don't like the way, Microsoft is going with Flight. And I asume here are only people writing who indeed play that game. Hope someone of the dev-team will read at least some of these comments...

Another plane with no cockpit? Don't need that, thanks!

March 28, 2012 3:04 AM

it's very nice to see that we have proposed new, but please keep us informed about your business strategy on helicopters. Do you offer us soon? thanking you kindly answer.

March 28, 2012 3:09 AM

I have to agree with the sentiments here - I have no interest in flying outside in external view.

Cockpit is the only real way to fly.  Please take a bit more time with future aircraft to include a fully working cockpit.

March 28, 2012 3:12 AM

When Will Jets Be Available In The Marketplace?

March 28, 2012 3:17 AM

@ShapedBoot069, You're wrong.  I make videos and bought the planes/adventure pack.


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Microsoft Flight PC Gameplay Trailer HD 720p

March 28, 2012 3:22 AM

So disappointed......very sad to see not even a Virtual cockpit..... Y U NO LISTEN TO US MS?

March 28, 2012 3:35 AM

@EnjoyingChimp I'd like to hear their reasons, I'm sure they have one for these planes.  Maybe there will be an free update such as bug fixes and visual ones.  I haven't enountered a bug yet other then sometimes gamertags won't show on some people here or there but that's nothing too major.

March 28, 2012 3:39 AM

@ShyBraveheart google helps.

The Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero Specs

Crew: 1

Length: 9.06 m (29 ft 9 in)

Wingspan: 12.0 m (39 ft 4 in)

Height: 3.05 m (10 ft 0 in)

Wing area: 22.44 m² (241.5 ft²)

Empty weight: 1,680 kg (3,704 lb)

Loaded weight: 2,410 kg (5,313 lb)

Powerplant: 1 × Nakajima Sakae 12 radial engine, 709 kW (950 hp)

Aspect ratio: 6.4


Never exceed speed: 660 km/h (356 kn, 410 mph)

Maximum speed: 533 km/h (287 kn, 331 mph) at 4,550 m (14,930 ft)

Range: 3,105 km (1,675 nmi, 1,929 mi)

Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)

Rate of climb: 15.7 m/s (3,100 ft/min)

Wing loading: 107.4 kg/m² (22.0 lb/ft²)

Power/mass: 294 W/kg (0.18 hp/lb)



Divergence of trajectories between 7.7 mm and 20mm ammunition

2× 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Type 97 machine guns in the engine cowling, with 500 rounds per gun.

2× 20 mm Type 99 cannon in the wings, with 60 rounds per gun.


2× 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or

1× fixed 250 kg (551 lb) bomb for kamikaze attacks

March 28, 2012 4:21 AM

@Andy721874 thanks, but I don't need bombs or cannons. No, I need of course, but not in this game :)

I mean is there a different between their max alt or speed? I can't see it. And i don't know how to apply A6M2 to the game except 100$ hamburger mission but i don't like it.

March 28, 2012 4:27 AM

What a joke. Didn't you even listen to the community? No Virtual Cockpit? Another boring WWII warbird? Seriously? How can you guys expect me to take the situation seriously then?

March 28, 2012 4:37 AM

Why release a plane without a cockpit? We need detailed commercial planes and airports with traffic. Remember Flight Unlimited 2? It was a great mix of a simulator and user-friendly experience.

I won't EVER buy a plane without a cockpit.

JeanPierre SE
March 28, 2012 4:42 AM

My opinion is.... Microsoft should have taken FSX as a basis "foundations" of the new FLIGHT. With this basis, have created by adding the new graphical interface to create the new "FLIGHT SIMULATOR XI". And make compatble or updateable many scenarios and already created aircraft.

I if I'll buy the ZERO and would add it to virtual aircraft collection.

I think that currently FLIGHT has a good graphic interface, but is a bad game arcade and a bad Simulator.

A10. from Barcelona.

March 28, 2012 4:45 AM

did not know that Flight is actually a resurrection of the Combat Simulator franchise. Too sad you are going in this direction. Let alone that this is yet another plane w/o cockpit. Hope something more promising is included in the Alaska pack, and not yet another taildragger. otherwise I am out.

March 28, 2012 4:57 AM

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Only planes with cocpit. Waste of time.

March 28, 2012 5:15 AM

NO COCKPIT???  Forget it then.  What the heck are you guys thinking???   :-(

March 28, 2012 5:22 AM

No cockpit, no deal. And yes to Track IR and Saitek panels support, please.

Eungki Lee
March 28, 2012 5:23 AM

Keep the good work

Eungki Lee
March 28, 2012 5:26 AM

I think they'll make a cockpit view airplane next week. I think its a pattern-Cockpit-No Cockpit-Cockpit-No Cockpit. I'm sure of that.

March 28, 2012 5:38 AM

Even though this plane isn't for me I'm happy to see they are releasing new content relatively short time after the release of MS Flight.

March 28, 2012 5:52 AM

Will this half of a plane also have the Aussie tax on it?

No money from me till you start charging us the same as those in the states.

March 28, 2012 6:07 AM

I'm not interested in ANOTHER plane with no cockpit. No buy :( Still waiting for Alaska....

March 28, 2012 6:08 AM

Big shame - I have no interest in flying outside of the cockpit. I really like Flight but won't be purchasing any DLC like this. When is Alaska out?

Eungki Lee
March 28, 2012 6:23 AM

Yeah, when will the Alaska be released?

March 28, 2012 6:24 AM

One of the thing I love more in simulators is the interior view. Above was cited Forza Motorsport: well I'll never be sitting in a lamborghini or a ferrari so I like very much if I can feel like I'm really in front of their steering wheels... I think for planes is all the same. I am not a pilot but I like flight , I think it's the essence of freedom, but I am also an engineer and I am curios and technical...I think that in flight simulators is beautiful (for a novice like me) see all the buttons and leds, searching and clicking everywhere to set lights, radio, etc...

No VC = No $

March 28, 2012 6:26 AM

Flight, may be next time... (with VC)

March 28, 2012 6:32 AM

cmon, another plane thats just an empty shell? thats what the mustangs for. i understand the whole "battle over the pacific" but why not release amelia aerhearts plane, thats even mentioned in the game.

i understand that making an aircraft model accurately and well polished is tricky, but sometimes its just too much money to ask for. i would rarther have some mutated version of COD elite where you pay a single sum, then get all the DLC for that year "free"

but what gets me the most, the joy of these old warbirds IS the cockpit, sitting there looking at all the guages, not the sterile (but lovely) A-5, but nor the clutered ugly maul. yes, you may be discouraged to make extra stff for the zero and the mustang due to (probarbly) low sales, but i would highly consider buying a "pacific battle" pack that has both, cockpits and maybey even some basic combat mechanics. on and custom missions. why does the free A5 have a fully voiced tutorial and missions, yet the premium paid for aircraft have no tutorial. i know a rea pilot who is still unable to land the maul as they have no idea what to do

March 28, 2012 6:38 AM

Sorry, Flight-Team, while I really appreciate your efforts in developing a new Flight simulation game and while I still believe in MS Flight having the potential to be a great platform for a serious simulation game, I am very disappointed by you releasing another cockpit-less aircraft.

I completely understand that there may be people out there that do not care for cockpits, who fly in 3rd person mode all the time, and I completely understand that you do not want to drive those people off by forcing them to pay for an aircraft with lots and lots of features (cockpit) they will never use. But PLEASE develop two versions of those aircraft - one featuring a full-functional cockpit, and one without! Or at least develop another DLC providing the missing cockpits (whereas the total price of a full-featured aircraft should not exceed the price of the maule, for example).

In any event: I for my part will not pay a single buck for an aircraft that does not even feature a virtual cockpit!

March 28, 2012 6:39 AM

Is it possible ... by any chance to expect other sceneries like West/East/Central US or Europe?

What about Cessna172/Beechcraft/Learjet/CitationX?

Maybe B747...

Microsoft, is this really everthing you can do? It is really boring to fly with Ikon or Stearman thru Hawaii. I will stay at FSX for a while. I will be back (probably) when ATC is going to be fully operated and wider area will be published.

March 28, 2012 6:42 AM

@JeanPierre SE: bad arcade game? Seriously? Flight is a very nice arcade. Not exactly a sim, but the best aviation arcade. Or you know better? Or maybe you have suggestions how to make "The best arcade ever"?

March 28, 2012 6:47 AM

It's March 28th I don't see no Plane at 6:47am eastern

March 28, 2012 6:48 AM

@S5LLM: Icon and Stearman? There are three more aircrafts avaliabe. RV-6 and Maule are pretty interesting to fly. Maybe you should buy full version before judging?

March 28, 2012 6:50 AM

ShyBraveheart I think it's a bit faster the p51 seems to only do 260-280 almost but the specs in game says 310-340 or something in the 300's.  Doesn't seem to stick to the 300s at all, but this zero plane seems to do 330mph easy if not more.  Says perfect for challenges requiring speed and high maneuverability. The p51 isn't as good as the rv6a for maneuverability.  Maybe this could just be a upgrade.

March 28, 2012 6:55 AM

I cannot believe, what is going on in the head and of the Flight Team.... Ok,  you want a new generation of Flight Gamers? You will get them, for sure!  Young, childish and with just pocketmoney...  But the people,  who could and would spend money in your Game, these people you hit with your feets...

I've given Flight really a chance and played it since release very intensive (1.5Mio EP). And I would have been glad to see something Good to buy.But it seems, you ignore all the good tips, you get for free....

Really pity to see such a marketing behavior... Unbelievable

March 28, 2012 7:10 AM

Either they lost some team members to do cockpit coding or graphics or they're being lazy

March 28, 2012 7:16 AM

"i don't understand how can can i use this plane in the game. What new achievements will be open or some interesting jobs will be avaliable?

And what's the difference between this A6M2 and P-51?"

The Zero (it's name was never more appropriate than now) will not allow you to get any achievements or awards, nor fly any missions, that the P-51 can't already do better and faster.

This announcement has convinced me to do something I haven't done in an a whole month...  load up Skyrim.

March 28, 2012 7:45 AM


March 28, 2012 7:48 AM

p51d has basic on the side of the title in hanger mode rest are deluxe planes sooo?

March 28, 2012 7:48 AM

Usually I'm not one to follow the bandwagon and I usually agree that if there's something someone doesn't like then to each their own but this, I have to say I feel very disapointed. First off Flight is supposed to capture the very essence of flying and nothing comes closer to that than actually feeling like you are IN the cockpit of an aircraft not starring blankly at the outside view (don't get me wrong it is occasionally interesting to see how things look from the exterior, but overall many others including myself spend a majority of the time inside the cockpit.) To me the exterior model is just a bonus feature of an aircraft and does not necessarily give the user a realistic feeling of what it would be like to control that particular aircraft.

Even flight games that aren't even considered true "simulations" such as the Ace Combat francise or even a game that doesn't even focus primarily on flying at all like Battlefield 3 have airplanes modeled with cockpits albeit not very detailed with clickable gauges, etc, but still a pretty darn good immersive view of what it feels like looking outside from in an aircraft. And although those games mentioned aren't true flight simulation games there is a reason they come with modeled cockpits.

I hate to say it and usually I support something I see that has a lot of potential but with the way I and others have seen the direction Microsoft Flight is taking I am slowly losing interest. All most of us really ask for is a small update on current and future aircraft the team is working on as well as release dates for new content/projects as well as plans for future ones. I understand some developers like to suprise consumers but leaving the consumer totally in the dark is not a good idea in my opinion, as it leaves the consumer feeling abandoned even if it is not the intent of the developer.

It just seems sad that this game has so much potential, and I would really hate to see it get scrapped, but a game is a form of entertainment just like a musician is to music and its audience. It is the musician's job to entertain the crowd as it is the developers job to provide and put out features that the clients want or would like to see implemented. Sure a game based on content updates over the course of time can be sold with the developers not fine tuning the game based on consumer feedback, but I bet you a game like that will not sell very well.

On a side note I read an interview concerning the Flight team and thier desire to not recreate the entire planet as qouted by Joshua Howard, "Creating the whole world is not one of our goals for Flight." But why, under the Marketplace/Partners tab on the site's home page, does it clearly state "Whether providing the nuts-and-bolts details with which we design and build our aircraft or the data we use to re-create the ENTIRE PLANET…."

I am so confused, I just need a break from this game for a couple of months and eventually come back with my fingers crossed hoping there is something to look forward to :( And my appologies if this seemed like I rant I just care a lot for flight simulation like if it was my all time greatest hobby (and it is) and would hate to see the game fail because of simple reasons taht can be fixed very easily such as lack of communication with the consumer.

March 28, 2012 8:02 AM

It would have been better if you had posted another silly aerocache of the day or flight secret instead of this stuff.

I'm sorry to say this but today you have lost a lot of credibility. I fear that you are going to fail persisting on this path.

I suggest you to redraw the marketing strategy before it's too late.

March 28, 2012 8:03 AM

Well I am right along with most of the others. We have another usless aircraft with no cockpit. I am not sure about you guys but I don't look in the sky and see many people following their airplanes around so they can fly them. Please do not do this again.

We need some ATC also. I do not fly with the HUD. That is cheating. But it is difficult to come into the airport not knowing where the wind is.

Where is the AI.

Where is the simulation.

I love the game but I am looking forward to the simulation. I can only play the game for so long.

March 28, 2012 8:10 AM

The fall of a legend, FS dead with Flight. I love Flight software but i'm very disappointing with Ms policy.

The next plane that i'm going to buy is a Boeing 747, no more dummy planes.

March 28, 2012 8:12 AM

Im not a big fan of the cockpit view myself anyway so ill likely pick this one up, but I agree with the others on releasing incomplete content as well as some modern aircraft. Something supersonic would be fun but i guess that doesnt really make sense till you open up more of the game world.

Eungki Lee
March 28, 2012 8:13 AM

I'm waiting for Alaska with a jetplane.

March 28, 2012 8:14 AM

maybe they could sell the cockpit in parts too: 25$ for the ias-gauge, altitude-gauge: 20$, moving throttle: 12$, ignition key: 5$ , ...

Eungki Lee
March 28, 2012 8:15 AM

I want a modern plane.

March 28, 2012 8:27 AM

Re the 80k aerotrash challenge I heard a rumor that the next planey type thing for D/L will be ......da da dahhhh  a Kite, apparently it comes with external views only, no vc however I have seen a sneak preview and boy oh boy the level of detail on the 95km of string,just awesome.Will defo be downloading that.

RE waffles I love a good waffle I USUALLY GO FOR A READY MIX PACK FROM THE SUPERMARKET delicious.

Re pets I have an English Springer Spaniel and a Cocker Spaniel. My pornstar name is Ben Dover.

I am thinking of buying a car next week from the new Microsoft motor dealership its really nice, has all the whistles and bells but for some reason they decided to weld all the doors shut so I cant tell what its like to drive, but heck it looks good from the outside.

Anymore random posts are welcome and has anyone had any response from M/S REGARDING OUR DELIGHT AND LONGSTANDING SUPPORT OF THEIR NEW CLOUD SIM "Flight"?

its 13:30  uk time and no zero on marketplace darn I was gonna buy it maybe its flown away to find a real Flight sim.......sayonara suckers.

Much love to the real flight simmers.

March 28, 2012 8:30 AM

Please Microsoft read all these comments.  These are not comments by "haters", these are pieces of invaluable feedback.  It would be wise to listen to these comments made by your loyal fans.  Unless you want to risk alienating your fans even more than you have, you need to start releasing features that were in previous flight sim games, and most importantly... DONT KEEP US IN THE DARK.  We have gone like a month without any news on features, and the first thing you drop on us is another incomplete aircraft...

March 28, 2012 8:42 AM

No, sorry. I'll come back in 4 weeks. Wait again pointless.

March 28, 2012 8:43 AM

I really can't see the need for another cockpitless WWI fighter right now - we already have one of those. We don't have AI aircraft, AI vehicles, AI boats, jets, gliders, twin props, airliners, helicopters, something to reach the 'Curvature of the Earth' Aerocache, ATC, ... surely these should be a higher priority, right now? Is this really what your market research suggested customers wanted?

Possibly unconnected but today my game seems a little broke. My last two achievements (Inverted and XP buster, or whatever it's called for reaching level 20) both failed to show when I achieved these. In the case of the latter, I do now have an extra, also locked XP buster entry, which is nice ... ?! I notice there's also no sign of how to download the poor Zero (even if I wanted to) from within game menus.  There appears to be no obvious forum to ask such questions ... unless someone can point me there?

We really want this game to work but my own view is that MS should leave cockpitless aircraft add-ons to third party designers (assuming they're allowed in on the Flight act?) and concentrate on adding something genuinely new each time. Alaska looks nice ... there's only so much Hawaii a man can take!! :)

Zero does at least sum up how impressed I feel with Flight today. There have been better days, thankfully.

March 28, 2012 8:44 AM

Interview with Joshua Howard

Microsoft FLIGHT Team Lead:

l VultUx l
March 28, 2012 8:50 AM

Ohh... Crap! One month waiting to see another cockpitless aircraft, at least I will save my money this month.

Ms flight is getting more boring every day, no traffic, no atc, another aircraft without cockpit, what next?

March 28, 2012 8:54 AM

How disappointing! As others have so eloquently said, "No cockpit, no money."

March 28, 2012 8:57 AM

For F@_k sake, a bloody japanese pile of donkey manure to play with for a while. No way am i gonna buy this sh_t. That's it i'm off to pastures new. Had enough of Micro@oft. I'll reinstall this pile of dog poo when something decent comes out.

Spartan 0536
March 28, 2012 9:05 AM

I have voiced my opinion of this aircraft on Facebook and on forums, the only thing left I can really say about this aircraft is, ITS GARBAGE! It does not even have a Virtual Cockpit or even a 2d Cockpit, if this was on par with A2A Simulations aircraft then yeah I could see it being popular, however the level of detail and the lack of features this aircraft has is appalling.

I would love to see the next one or one in the Alaska DLC be a twin turboprop for those longer flights that will come with Alaska (for those of you who don;t realize how large Alaska is, look it up, its the largest state in the USA!) and because of this we need proper aircraft that do 250-300 kts easy to really get anywhere decently.

Again the Perfect aircraft for Flight would be a King Air 350i and for Airliners/Cargo it would be either a Bombardier Q400 or ATR 72 600.

March 28, 2012 9:05 AM

Echo all of the above! And here I had hoped for a De Havilland Beaver to go along with Alaska. Hellooooo! What were you thinking????

What a waste of time for the team that designed another cockpitless tail dragger. Next???????????

March 28, 2012 9:06 AM

@Andy721874: well maybe it will be more maneuver than P-51. And i'll likely purchase it, but i still don't know what to do with this aircraft. Maybe it will be useful in the future.

But it's 9 AM (5 PM in my town) and there's no any update.

March 28, 2012 9:09 AM

I don't think they understand....

WE WANT BOEING 777 / AIRBUS A320, plane like that !

if you put old plane I can go play "Wing of Prey" same game !

March 28, 2012 9:18 AM

What garbage. Looks like you guys over at the Flight Team just don't get it. I feel insulted, 12 years of following Flight Simulator, buying the Simulators as they came out and this is the crap the loyal costumers get? I can't seem to understand the business model but it sucks... the end of a great simulator.

March 28, 2012 9:21 AM

Dear MS Flight Team. I am new to this kind of games and most people here could classify me as the ''new target of the Flight arcade game'' Well, I was stunned in the beginning, did over 80 hours flying allover Hawaii, love the Maule, love the RV, the Stearman and Icon. Ever since I installed flight on my computer I've been looking for the news here and waiting with anticipation for new DLC to come.

Surprisingly I started flying from inside of the plane. I don't understand what could possibly be good having only exterior model. I thought that Flight just like any sim or sim-a-like application is designed for people who cannot afford 5 plane or those who want more experience, more machines. I don't see anything attractive in external package. I know most guys were complaining about the prices in the beginning. With the time I've noticed that most of us would ignore them and buy another plane because they are interesting. I would! And I still want. But this is not what we want. I rather have less complete aircrafts than more ''virtual toys''. We don't want virtual toys, we want virtual machines and that is the entire purpose of ''sim games''. Am I right?

March 28, 2012 9:32 AM

Sigh. So much potential in the engine and such ridiculous decisions about planes. Personally I love the Zero, but a plane without a cockpit? Again?!! Are you trying to make the game fail?

March 28, 2012 9:35 AM

@aleco89: where are you going to fly on B-777/A320 etc? From Hilo to Honolulu? Do you think it's very interesting? I don't. I think they will release some airliners but a bit later, after releasing another countries or territories.

March 28, 2012 9:40 AM

Enough with the planes, already. We have all flown from one end of Hawaii to the other several times over. We have one WWII era fighter with no cockpit already. Do we really need another for non-existent combat??? How about you release the Alaska DLC instead?

DayWalker 23RUS
March 28, 2012 9:44 AM

1. No cockpit view is included. = No money!

2. No more old planes. we'd like jets or turboprops!

March 28, 2012 9:47 AM

I love WWII history and I would be excited about flying the Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero! However, as a casual player, I would need to have the cockpit included to make it worth purchasing. I'm grateful for MS Flight because it is straightforward to enjoy.

Many thanks!

March 28, 2012 9:55 AM

No VC= No Buy for me :/

March 28, 2012 9:55 AM

If there were a real competitor in this genre, this plane would have a VC.

I'll probably buy the plane, but it's never good business practice (it's a sign of a monopoly) when a company chooses to create add-on product offerings that are almost unanimously disliked, yet the company offers them anyway if they move the sales chart.

My advice: Learn a lesson from Vista, Microsoft. Your company's brand is suffering if you sit there holding all the cards and are only interested in the immediate bottom line.

March 28, 2012 10:00 AM

I am guessing that there is some sort of setback with Alaska.  The Zero seems like a temporary solution to make a quick buck.  I sincerely hope that people give them a big fat donut "0" for sales.  M$ has managed to take one of their only successful game franchises and screw it up.  

This is shameful, they have disgraced Microsoft Game Studios and the spirit of what aviation is. This has gone south faster than the Silent Hill series and on the current path is destined to be remembered in infamy...kind of like E.T. for the Atari. There is a reason why gaming sites rated this so poorly, and for Mr. Howard to come out and say they don't care or pay attention to it just shows how diluted and arrogant the leaders are.  

I am  not going to wish anyone bodily harm, this is just a game after all. However, hoping "some" people get reassigned or fired in my opinion would help the game.  Those in charge do not have a clue as to what they are doing.  I can't say I would do any better, but at least I would listen, communicate and show some empathy towards the users.

March 28, 2012 10:14 AM

Here are my 2 cents,

i won't buy it,  not because there is no cockpit, as a casual player a fly mostly from outside view, but because there is nothing to do with...

if there were some special missions for each plane,  perhaps it would be more interesting to buy them...

if it's no more than a skin, it doesn't worth it .

Torg Smith
March 28, 2012 10:18 AM


I can't remember if it was the interview on AVSim or someplace else. They said they were targeting one plane a month and an new area every three of four months.

March 28, 2012 10:21 AM

oh,  and by the way,  please add some more level quickly...      some people like leveling  ( i do )  and if i don't gain anything after my 20th level ( i will reach it very soon ) i'm going to lose motivation to do job board missions or anything giving me XP.

why i would gain XP when i have nothing at the end ?  

going up to Level 50 would  be fine...      level 20 is great for a demo,     reached the roof in 1 week....  

i know for some pals,  leveling is not important...   i saw some friends with more than 1.2 million XP  ( lvl 20 is 500.000 xp )  ^^

but it's important for me,   i want to feel i have something to do

March 28, 2012 10:55 AM

"i'll likely purchase it, but i still don't know what to do with this aircraft. Maybe it will be useful in the future."

Why on Earth would you do that?  IF it ever does become useful, buy it THEN.  Giving them money for trash like this just encourages them to shovel out more garbage.

March 28, 2012 10:58 AM

Perhaps they are attempting to garner more interest by giving us the Zero to attack Pearl Harbor, but that seems a bit over the top.

The only apparent Staff member responding publicly is Delafina, and she mainly asks us to watch our language.

Silence can be deafening.

March 28, 2012 11:07 AM


I don't mind the one plane per month.  I can deal with that slow pace so long as the plane is detailed and useful.  Honestly, Mitsubishi has better planes to fit with civil aviation than a Zero.

March 28, 2012 11:09 AM

Love the game. RV-6 and Maule are my favs because I love flying VOR/ILS approaches. Long time FSX fan who actually likes the instruments in this game much better. I fly in real life as well.


March 28, 2012 11:15 AM

I have never been deceived by a product from Microsoft, however with the "long awaited" Flight being out now and tested, I feel that Microsoft Engineers and programmers might be really joking. Who said this arcade game can really have ancestors of the FS family from 1.0 to FSX.

I have followed Microsoft Flight Simulators since 4.0 and bought every single release afterward. When I upgraded to FSX in 2006 I was dazzled and was thinking of what kind of wonders would Microsoft be bringing to us in the next release. Having seen Flight, I would like to tell you: thank you guys, but we would like to stay with FSX , and keep updating with third party addons. X-Plane is not bad either for a change, but not Flight of course.

Good Luck with your endeavours, and hope that some day Microsoft will get back in track and give its loyal customers a piece of wonder that really deserve to replace FSX.

March 28, 2012 11:16 AM

Kind of weird that they havent released this plane yet. Most companys would have it available at midnight.  Hopefully they changed there mind.

March 28, 2012 11:22 AM

Hah, so much rage in the comments... The Zero looks nice. as for now I won't spend ms points on aircraft without cockpits but i guess it's nice for hunting aerocaches and the like. Stay strong Dev team. Dont let the hate bring you down :)

March 28, 2012 11:46 AM




March 28, 2012 12:05 PM

OMG MS What are you doing ?

Read! the dues and make it better PLS!

Flight is a realy good Game but it is too mutch wrong for a simulator ;)

1) No more "exterior only" aircraft. this is Booring for everything people!

2) Interactive Air Traffic Control, air traffic, airport traffic, road traffic, marine traffic and bird / marine wildlife added.

3) Optional autopilot, GPS, VFR/IFR flight plans and multi-player cockpit sharing.

4) Helicopters, twin-engined GA aircraft and at least one business jet.

5) Pilot avatar personalisation.

6) Visual representation of pilot, co-pilot, passengers and cargo in the aircraft.

And MS you can this!

Make it PLS!

March 28, 2012 12:06 PM

Look guys,

its possibly a good aircraft, but its only with a cockpit view.

There isn't a cockpit view of the mustang too!

No buy then.

I want a learjet or a turbo-prop aircraft with full autopilot use!! The Maule has it; but the function isn't on!!

March 28, 2012 12:10 PM

How many messages like the previous ones do you need to understand what the people want?

Best regards,


March 28, 2012 12:23 PM

This is quite disappointing. I mean, I really like aircrafts like the P51 or the Zero, but the lack of cockpit makes it useless.  

An helicopter like a Bell 206 or a Gazelle would make much more sense for an environment like Hawaii.  

Sorry no purchase for me...

March 28, 2012 12:32 PM

No Cockpit ?????

Like a horse without a leg !!!!

March 28, 2012 12:36 PM




March 28, 2012 12:37 PM

This product didn't just became successful in one go. This product became successful with the hard work of many years, with many people who were devoted to bringing us the amazing flying experience.

But your agenda now is to attract gamers.  you want  to target bigger audience, but this will cost lots of money  because you need to entertain them and inevitably you will loose this audience again,  in the other hand you got us the loyal fans, we will never get bored of flying because we naturally like and have passion for flying.  I always used to purchase the latest releases of Microsoft flight simulators the first month when released. Since I was a teenager even if I was short on cash I will wait until a part-time job payday and then head of to blockbuster shop to purchase the simulator. It was such a magical moment for me when trying out the latest releases and finding new things such as ATC, weather, better instrumentation. Better graphics, more planes etc.

I know what’s in your mind, you want to convince other people to try flying. I used to do it myself. I use to enjoy flying so much that I wanted to share the experience with other people such as friends, but I found out that hardly anybody around me liked it “because you sit and do nothing” they say. So now what you want to do is create a video game to attract this kind of audience that is bound to get bored (unless you keep feeding them out of your pocket) with the product that technically belongs to us the fans because we made it successful l.

I think is heart breaking the way we have been pushed to one side and ignored. If you really want to concentrate in entertaining the masses of people I suggest you rethink what is it you want, because you might as well save yourself  from wasting time in making flying games and just do a shooting game or car racing games, and let someone else do the beautiful  flight simulator we once had

March 28, 2012 12:39 PM

Another plane without a cockpit ?

This is the confirmation, that Flight is not a simulator...

March 28, 2012 12:47 PM

Could you guys give a heads up of what there is to come?

It would make things a lot better if we would know what you guys are working on, because at this moment I'm a bit disappointed.

I do think Microsoft Flight does have big potential.

Also, there are some NDB's on the islands, depicted on the charts. Now I'm just waiting for an airplane with ADF equipment. Would be nice to have, to practice some NDB approaches (since most of Europe still relies on NDB's).

Thank you and good luck.

March 28, 2012 12:49 PM

@RoboRay: just because i finished all the missions and challenges, i've got much more than 500 000 XP, i have nothing to do. Maybe it will be some kind of diversity. Of course if it won't be cost too much.

March 28, 2012 12:52 PM

No cockpit = No $$$$$$

Hey Microsoft, the person who convinced you that your audience would buy a cockpit-less aircraft should be fired.

March 28, 2012 12:58 PM

You have to be kidding me! This is what we get as DLC? No way I will be buying this plane. For one I already have the incomplete P-51 which is very similiar to this plane and for 2 you don't even take the time to put a cockpit in? That is so horrible. What happened to you MS? Creative director for the game should be fired. Look at all the negative comments you guys are getting and do something about it! Flight has a ton of potential, but all I see coming out of you guys now is incomplete planes. Are you working on anything cool like 747's and other jets?

March 28, 2012 1:02 PM

This is seriously heartbreaking what MS has done to this series. I remember 25 or so years ago playing Flight Sim and I have loved every iteration of the series since then up until now. Now you give us incomplete planes and only let us fly on Hawaii? WTF! Please wake up and change the direction of this game before it's too late.

March 28, 2012 1:11 PM

Utter garbage.Microsoft wanted to step away a little from the hardcore sim users and introduce this new approach to flying trying to attract a different breed but all i read here is that we all want the sim features included not these half ass ,half finished airplanes.I was reluctant to spend any money on flight but against my better judgement i bought everything except the p-51 but i will not spend another dime on this if it continues in this direction.Its like watching a car crash about to happen and all you can do is watch.

Dissapointed but not surprised.

March 28, 2012 1:29 PM

Seriously guys! Stop those stupid external model only aircrafts. Nobody wants this crap! You guys are so far away from your costumers that it´s not even funny anymore.

Spitting out planes that have no cockpit is just a bad joke!

March 28, 2012 1:36 PM

I as well, have been a avid flight simulator follower since fs95 and what has happened to this current iteration is horrible. During beta testing it was mentioned and verified numerous times that Saitek rudder toe brakes can be mapped but do not function. This long after release they still don't function.  FSX was release 6 years ago and I still fly it everyday as do many loyal pilots. The audience you are trying to appeal to now is notorious for "whats the newest thing" they get bored very, very quickly and constantly move from one game to the next. It is the loyal FS pilots who are trying to warn you of this and give advice that would make this game live longer than "till the next shiny thing releases". As it is FSX to me is still the current version Flight Simulator. Flight has a lot of potential but it it geared to a nomadic audience, not the loyal FS pilots that made the series great.

ICARE 2008
March 28, 2012 1:39 PM

GREAT ERROR OF MARKETING!!!!!! A bad way  or the best way to lost the fans of MS FLIGHT!

March 28, 2012 1:40 PM

Jets would make the flyable world too small in my opinion. I would like to see any of the following WITH COCKPITS: Cessna 172, Twin otter, Beaver, Cessna 310 planes that make sense as island jumpers.

March 28, 2012 1:40 PM

No cockpit view is included. = No money

March 28, 2012 1:45 PM

I love the guy calling people stupid and childish, going on childish multiple edit all caps rants, and obviously completely ignorant that ACES and MS game studios both are in house developers at MS, NOT seperate companies. Heck some of the same people have worked on both games. The irony.......Facepalm.

March 28, 2012 1:48 PM

Pathetic ....

March 28, 2012 1:48 PM

LOL, too funny. This is Flight's target audience people......

March 28, 2012 1:55 PM

i couldnt read through these comments, without having to laugh (eventhough i agree completely with most posts)

its like flight brings everyone to a party (looks like everything is there)

but as the 1st person wants to order a drink - "there are no drinks"

next guy needs to use the washrooms - "washrooms are out of order"

so everyone starts complaining, but no one listens

next (sad) step would probably be - everyone leaving the party

and probably only ocasional players remain, that are basically testing the gig, to realize they should better move on

March 28, 2012 1:57 PM

Track IR will too ?

March 28, 2012 2:04 PM

@ChargingOyster4: stop screaming like sectarian "It's coming! We're all going to die!". One message is enough. Of course, if you're not stupid or childish :)

March 28, 2012 2:06 PM

i think MS should give the 'childish' babies what they want..

Cute Jets to play with and fly around a mini island..

Very nice you just takeoff and have to land already..!!!

Let them atleast make some more enviroments before you ask for jet planes..

March 28, 2012 2:06 PM

@ChargingOyster4: Like ShyBraveheart says, one message is more than enough from you.

March 28, 2012 2:07 PM

I found this video:

Good "GAME" boys. :D

Yes, FLIGHT is only a GAME.

We are wasting our time here. :(

Torg Smith
March 28, 2012 2:12 PM


They actually put some of the developers from FSX on this project. It is true that not all the developers were from FSX. I bet they used code and requirements documentation in the development of this game. I do not know if you played FSX before, but the graphics have similarities to FSX. I think the graphics are better now, but there are similarities.

If people want to use FSX as a benchmark for rating this game they can. If they want to X-Plane they can. They could use a can of tuna fish if they wanted to. :)

You do not need to agree with the other people, but being rude makes other think less of your comments.

Carribean Blue
March 28, 2012 2:15 PM

Well, first of all, the plane isn't even available, at least here on this marketplace page attached to your site and even in the in game hangar.  It isn't showing up... Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I am guessing not.

Secondly, REALLY!?  Another aircraft without a cockpit?  Well, this goes to show, this game should have never even been released on PC... It's strictly a low level console game.  Not the sim we were all hoping for from Ms.  For what it is, yes, it isn't bad... it's a typical console flyer.  It really doesn't deserve the power of PC's....

I am very disappointed in the release of Flight thus far.  I keep hoping there will be more to it than what it is at the moment.  I also think your missing the ''essence'' of what flying is all about, at least for the general aviation enthusiast...   Flying isn't about flying under a bridge, or getting out of the plane to find an aerocache, or flying as high as you can and doing 15 spins in a row, which, would make you sick...   The essence of flight, is flying.. running the aircraft, which would mean, INSIDE IT...   Going to places you have never been before and enjoying the view along the way....

It is empowering.  It is doing something you have never been able to do before and feeling proud that you did it.  It's flying planes (in the sim at least...) you could never fly in real life, like big carriers, small jets, 1 million dollar Cessna's. ect...  Flying is FAR MORE than an external only view airplane...  I want to FEEL what a Japanese fighter pilot or bomber pilot felt like in a cockpit of the plane as he dove towards Pearl.  I've seen enough of the outside in WWII documentaries....

Whoever is doing the marketing and/or the overall plan for Flight needs to re-adjust and consider who is really flying Flight.  I'll be apples to apples, with the way Flight is now in its current state, your base is FSXers.. Not the kids your hoping to garner as a base audience.  There is nothing to do for them in the game like there is in other games available on consoles, keeping them takes more than that...

Keeping us... the FSXers and other simmers out there, will take MUCH more than what is being delivered....  Heck, even if I wanted it, which I don't since there is no internal of the Zero, I can't even get it today as promised....

HIGHLY disappointed.  I'll be heading head first back into FSX until, if ever, this 'sim', game, whatever your calling it gets up to standards.


March 28, 2012 2:21 PM

If your going to use a name associated with previous flight sims you can be sure you will be compared to them. It amazes me all the stuff that was avidly reported as bugs and issues in beta that just got ignored and release into the final game broken.

March 28, 2012 2:24 PM

I can't think of any better response than another YouTube video: Adolf Hitler finds out (...).

March 28, 2012 2:25 PM

Hey Delafina:

Chargingoyster4 swore in one of the posts.

Aren't you going to remove it ?

Cessna 172 would be nice, esp us fsx'ers who learned to sim one.

Torg Smith
March 28, 2012 2:29 PM

While I am disappointed with what is not in the game, what is there is quite stable. I would not call this game buggy. I think what is there is good except for the missing auto pilot that makes the jobs tedious. I would say that the code that is there is solid.

March 28, 2012 2:29 PM

@SantiTorres1966: yes, it's a game. But it have some elements of simulation, very nice for game that have been released one month ago. I think it will "grow up" little by little. But i like it even on this stage.

@ChargingOyster4: this is my 9th post here, are counting? But it's a bit different, i'm not typing post by post in a row screaming to nowhere, i'm talking with different players.

Hayden lam
March 28, 2012 2:29 PM

We want Jets, Large Planes, Modern Planes and Cockpits.

Microsoft/Dev team, don't you want our money? Seems pretty easy and strait forward to me, but somehow, you are not achieving it.

In the next news update, I'm hoping you acknowledge why this post has a 1 star rating and this long comment thread, all seems to be saying the same thing. I'll give this game 1 more month, I already spent a little money, prepared to spend more, but only under right conditions.

Otherwise, goodbye MS, Hello X plane

March 28, 2012 2:38 PM

First they keep ignoring, and then they dissapoint majorly, and even for the odd few that would by the zero they cant even do what the say and list. If this kind of thing keeps happening, everyone contact microsoft and make formal complaints, go above the heads of this studio, because posting ideas, or concerns on this page is going to do any good. When the heads of the studios jobs get threatened then it will accomplish something. But im sure that will happen anyway when microsoft sees their sales figures.

March 28, 2012 2:46 PM

Nope! Nope! Nope!

This feels like the really bland, uninteresting, boring and forgive me, bad tasting, raisin oatmeal cookie my mother used to give me to "tide" me over until dinner. It didn't do a good job then and it ain't doing a good job now.

I'm not paying zip for a "cockpitless" aircraft. I didn't get the P51 I ain't getting this either.

And I quote a fellow player :



March 27, 2012 6:03 PM

Can`t believe you are releasing something like this...

We can`t do anything with the Mustang, what shall we do with this?

Is there at least any new content coming along with this aircr... ehh-  external model?


I'm just not understanding why 90% or more of the people are asking for the same type of DLC and not only is MS not coming through, nor are you forthcoming with any information at all about whats down the line.

Jets, turboprops, choppers, bigger and better aircraft etc.

Nuff said.


March 28, 2012 2:48 PM

Another thought occurs to me. Is there any interesting DLC down the line ???

The world wonders ??????


March 28, 2012 2:58 PM

Im going to assume you do little or no market research...    

Lets make this really clear...

We want plane with cockpit view!!

I want trackir

When the sales of this are awful maybe you will take note, lets hope you dont just give up on the game because of ill thought out DLC

March 28, 2012 3:01 PM

Why would I buy this! I'm not a sim player but have enjoyed the 40hrs I've put in Flight so far. I have no reason to buy this, would like a jet though.

March 28, 2012 3:01 PM

@ShyBraveheart: Yes, of course.

I only want to know what are Microsoft´s team doing, what are they thinking about these posts. They could explain us what is the future of Flight, so everyone could take a decision about this game.

March 28, 2012 3:06 PM

Come on Microsoft you can do better than this, if you want my money make a better product or count me out!! Cockpits PLEASE.

March 28, 2012 3:19 PM

@SantiTorres1966: there are two types of plane. Deluxe (Maule, RV-6, Icon) with full cockpit, and casual cockpitless (like P-51 or Zero). The last ones cost less then Deluxe.

While we have only Hawaii jets are useful, but i'm sure sooner or later we will see something big (or how we can get award for 1 000 000 transported passengers?). But it could be possible only when there will be much more places to fly to.

March 28, 2012 3:39 PM

I like the Icon cockpit.

GPS map, guages, don't use the bar at top of screen. sim-like.

March 28, 2012 4:01 PM


Curvature of earth is no problem. I present not a flight  save, but actual real time evidence of more than just that. unlimited XP + altitude + mission cheats




March 28, 2012 4:01 PM

It's the 28th and I can't find the zero to download it.  Not that I would if it doesn't have a cockpit.  No cockpit, no money from me. EVER.

March 28, 2012 4:11 PM

@InboundFour953: ChargingOyster4 has been banned; thanks for the heads-up.

Everyone else: please refrain from using insulting or abusive language toward other users.

March 28, 2012 4:14 PM

I meant it in the best of intents, (with a slight smirk, admittedly). I'd rather Staff could be focused on moving forward with MSF.

March 28, 2012 4:15 PM

Ditto to all comments above and this plane is a no-go for me.  Don't need tarot cards to predict that I wont be hanging on to Flight if it doesn't get a bit more realistic soon with more content and features like ATC and more planes up in the sky.

March 28, 2012 4:17 PM

Calling ChargingOyster4's parents, ChargingOyster4's parents...

Please put your little one to bed.

March 28, 2012 4:31 PM

Other Bad news.... the march DLC has a air plane with not cockpit? Dawn, I expected a good modelled cockpit, no a fun taildager bored airplate. M$ you can make a turbo prop or other classic airplane..... if 12 anual DLCs has been fun airplanes without cockpit, I waiting to 4 big DLC.... Alaska and others, sure good airplanes with cockpit appears...... no 640 MS Points put in the Trush for nothing. :(

March 28, 2012 4:39 PM

1°/ "the essence of the agile light-weight fighter" but there are no fights in Flight...

2°/ "which makes it perfect for challenges requiring speed and high maneuverability" but you can do all the proposed challenges with the Stearman or the RV-6, or even with the Icon A-5. Where are the chjallenges for the P-51 then ????

3°/ "(it) was considered the most capable carrier-based fighter in the world", but there are no moving boats ingame, not even moving anything (oh sorry, there is smoke from a chemney somewhere in the game)... And we are a whole bunch of people who already can "carrier-land" on any (not moving :( ) cruise ship with Icon, Stearman or RV-6 !!

I've been asked by friends why my 1st post about the Zeke, cause I AM NOT ONE OF THE HATERS. This new plane is "unfinished" for me as there is no cockpit view and nothing to do with it (like the P-51, once again !).

Besides, I'd like to say to all simmers that they should notice that Flight has a better realistic flying model for turbulences, crosswinds, waves, thermics (I'd like a glider to verify this :) ) and all than FSX (there are NONE OF THESE in the default FSX that works on small planes). At least, be honest to yourselves !

AND MSF CREW, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE GOOD INTERACTION WITH YOU THAN POSTING HERE !!! Where is the bloody MS Flight forum ?? Where is the "post your feedback" zone ??? I have dozens of bugs to reports that I won't do by email !!

Oz Flyer
March 28, 2012 5:03 PM

To Microsoft Flight programer's,

For me this is whats need to keep both new gamer's and old SIMER's flying Flight.

1) No more "exterior only" aircraft and add cockpits to the ones that do not have.

2) Interactive Air Traffic Control, air traffic, airport traffic, road traffic, marine traffic and bird / marine wildlife added.

3) Optional autopilot, GPS, VFR/IFR flight plans and multi-player cockpit sharing.

4) Helicopters, twin-engined GA aircraft, business jet and a glider.

5) Visual representation of pilot, co-pilot, passengers and cargo in the aircraft.

6) Fix the hangers that you can not taxi through (some open door are really walls)

March 28, 2012 5:07 PM

I would like to see more variety of planes.  There are already several small planes.  I would like to see a larger plane for example a Boeing 747-400.  Another vehicle that would provide some more variety would be a helicopter.

March 28, 2012 5:10 PM

Not, that I want to have this unfinished bird, but: "The Zero will be available for download March 28, 2012. "

Where? Its now nearly the 29th, but no way to find it.

Perhaps it was really a First Aprils Fool? Hope it is.

March 28, 2012 5:12 PM


March 28, 2012 5:14 PM

I'm not really a VFR guy but love Flight for what it is and what it could be. I even enjoy the odd mission or two (which wasn't my thing in FSX) but MS are going to have to up their game if they want to keep people like me interested.

Another cockpitless single engined aircraft is not what I want and I'm now going to have to think seriously about whether I spend money on Alaska as and when it's released.

March 28, 2012 5:37 PM

I want the parachute in the Icon to work.

March 28, 2012 5:58 PM

@racecardrvr2: i'd like to see B-747 too. Or A-380. But what for? Where are you going to fly now from Hawaii? To Hawaii? It's so breathtakingly! ;)

March 28, 2012 6:01 PM

So when can we buy it?

March 28, 2012 6:02 PM

A plane with no cockpit isn't worth even "playing" ...

(I'm not speaking of "simming" ...)

12 years ago (2000), the Zero in CFS2 had a very nice 3D cockpit ...

12 years after and no cockpit is a shame, better not release it at all ...

Flight is really disappointing, I have uninstalled it and won't reinstall it on my PC if things don't get better

March 28, 2012 6:04 PM

"I'd like to say to all simmers that they should notice that Flight has a better realistic flying model for turbulences, crosswinds, waves, thermics (I'd like a glider to verify this :) ) and all than FSX (there are NONE OF THESE in the default FSX that works on small planes). At least, be honest to yourselves !"

If the underlying simulation technology in Flight wasn't so much better than what's found in the "real" sims, I wouldn't care what kind of shovelware MS is dumping on this franchise.  It is BECAUSE of the vast potential in Flight just waiting to be released that JH's sheer determination to flush his team's hard work down the toilet infuriates me so.

March 28, 2012 6:05 PM

Whoever is running the Microsoft Flight Dev is a total ignorant.Flight Simulator series has had a great , succesful sorry because it was just the best there is on the market.Now instead of going that way someone has thought that Microsoft can make loads of money by creating this half breed pseudo sim arcade game.Well , arcade gamers will go for combat arcade games , and sim flight enthusiasts will turn their back on this product.If microsoft wants to win this battle or i could say war actually , they should go back as soon as possible to original concept of flight simulator which used to be a true legend and has had a great reputation in the past.

In my humble opinion.

March 28, 2012 6:19 PM

@WartedMammal8: you are funny. What do you think about Maule's cockpit? Is it ok? Or RV-6? Is it modern? Or you played just free version 5 days ago?

March 28, 2012 6:27 PM

yep agree with everyone else, not paying for this one. I'm not gonna lie im dissapointed :(

March 28, 2012 6:27 PM

I was almost thinking about using the lower right button "report abuse", This is bad!

Microsoft, you can do better than this! No cockpit and old planes, why? who wants that?

We want newly built, up to date planes, like the Icon, or Lanceair, or newer cessnas, and perhaps a jet or two.

I dont think your target group is five year olds.....

March 28, 2012 6:34 PM

I don't think the target group was five year olds either. That's why I am so amazed so many show up here crying that this isn't FSXI.

March 28, 2012 6:41 PM

First of all, I want to say its a great game. There are a few things I would like to see though.

1. more types of missions other than cargo or passenger.....IE more SAR missions

2. Add helicopters to the mix

3. More of the world to fly IE: North America, Antarctica, Europe etc...even if you only add it city by city

4. some kind of combat/military mode would be nice.

March 28, 2012 6:53 PM

I can't find the zero to download it.

March 28, 2012 7:12 PM

Nach sovielen, negativen Kommentaren bzgl. der ZERO sollte Microsoft diese aus Marketingstrategischen Gründen kostenlos bereitstellen.

March 28, 2012 7:17 PM

Not going to buy an exterior only plane, no doubt about it. I miss the Flight Simulator game and full dev team more and more.

March 28, 2012 7:20 PM

Zero headed to market. No price posted yet.

March 28, 2012 7:58 PM

Well zero is available for download, they did reduce the price down to 560 pts, which is more worth it, and I have to.said this is the best looking plane model yet by far. Shame it has no cockpit. Hopefully cockpits will be available in the future.

March 28, 2012 8:12 PM

I don't see it on the Marketplace website.

Just the game, the Hawaii pack, P-51 Demo, Maule Demo, P-51 and Maule.

No Zero.


March 28, 2012 8:13 PM

I can't believe they are not smart enough to realize that we don't want planes without cockpits.  They will not be getting any of my money for the Zero.

March 28, 2012 8:27 PM

The picture up top doesnt do the plane justice. Phenomenal job on the plane. Please make a cockpit for it if you dont see it exit flight and restart the game.

Torg Smith
March 28, 2012 8:27 PM

They are smart enough to put it up on the market to see what the demand is for it. I don't plan on purchasing it, but I will not say it won't sell. This plane will probably have some weight on how many they do in the future.

March 28, 2012 8:30 PM

I reckon they're doing something with it :P  Because I see no D/L and it's been more than 24 hrs since they were supposed to have it up, even for UK time :P

March 28, 2012 8:38 PM

What are you guys at microsoft trying to do? You guys killed a simulator and then you keep shooting at it by releasing poor and lazy addons. You need to realize most of your customers and supporters are previous flight simulator users. Your target market is clearly aimed at a younger age.. The flight simulator community have waited long for a new simulator and FLIGHT has been nothing but a dissapointment. If i wanted to play a game like flight i would go to the arcade arena. Im sure if you made a new addition to flight simulator, put the the time and effort in, worked with third parties, you would have a simulator that would sell like crazy. Have you seen FSX with the latest addons with the latest addon technology? it looks amazing and way better than flight does. Take your lazy arcade caps off and put the simulator ones on. You guys shot yourself in the foot and you guys are not doing well avoiding the same mistake. Look at all the only explains one thing..customers are not happy. And you guys know you messed up so all you can do is read these comments and take it on the chin. Poor marketing, Poor developing, Poor game, Poor addons, Poor overall.

Torg Smith
March 28, 2012 8:42 PM

It is still the 28th here. If you start the game and go to the hanger you will see it there.

March 28, 2012 8:45 PM

Don't buy it!!! Don't be tempted!!!  Make them put a cockpit in first!

March 28, 2012 9:41 PM

"Tell us what you think" and when we do, we get blown off.

Will be very interesting to see what happens from this point forward!

March 29, 2012 2:24 AM

i for one am getting more and more interested in flight.....

because i love watching things crash and burn!!!  

flight is so embarrassing i won't even post a negative comment on the facebook page cause i don't want my friends to see  :/

March 29, 2012 3:08 AM

Track IR will be too included?

Still not! :\\\\\\\

March 29, 2012 4:19 AM

I'm also sick of these half ass planes!!! My Dad always told me,"Son, if your going to do something, do it right the first time or not at all." I want the P-51! I want the Zero! I can't justify buying a half ass plane. I'm busy flying in Hawaii, doing the jobs listed at all the airports. I'm waiting for Alaska. As far a planes go, I only bought the Maul! Fix you planes and add the cockpits so I can buy them. I'm still flying in Flight but the add-ons are a slap in the face. Get it together Microsoft! A big let down for add-ons so far.

March 29, 2012 7:44 AM

End this MS-Flight product. Don't even try to release a brand new FS XI

The best thing MS can do is release a service pack for FSX. It won't look as nice as MS-flight, but it can look better than the FSX from 2006. Why not use the 4 cores in most computers instead of one. Make better default scenery bcause we all have largers disks now. Better rivers, lakes, clouds, ... Don't make new planes, because the payware are better. And please keep the ATC, VOR's, ADF, Autopilot,  weather, AI-traffic, etc.. It's not the scenery alone that makes flight simulation exciting, it's the combination of watching the gauges, checking the flightplan, the weather, planning the route from vor to vor, listening to the atc, taxiing, taking off and landing yourself (and not being dropped in the air), landing on instruments, the thrilling sensation when approaching an unvisible runway, etc... It's not the fact that you made MS-flight that made people angry, it's because you told us there would never be an upgrade for FSX ever again.

March 29, 2012 9:04 AM

Take your overpriced garbage and shove it up your ass.  

March 29, 2012 9:05 AM


March 29, 2012 3:28 PM

NICE WORK JOSHUA HOWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can take your *** out of everyones ass now, its time to make the simulator you should have. *** Head.

March 29, 2012 7:33 PM

Guys, everything we all need to do is to vote by money. They want to make business out of Flight, it is us who let them have this business. Don't buy this stuff until it is appropriately finished. Flight is not even a "game" like this.

March 29, 2012 9:25 PM

Interessante gostaria de possui-lo!

March 29, 2012 10:19 PM

Yeah, sorry, Microsoft.  Not interested in this.  You're gonna have to put out a better product than a Zero if you expect to nickel and dime me.  This was disappointing...

March 29, 2012 10:51 PM

Referring back to the March question of the month where it shows  40 something plus of you there in the office. Here is your April question of the month.

Is this the best ALL OF YOU there can really do?

CkY NicK254
March 30, 2012 8:14 AM

Free mission updates for DLC packs. Free airplanes for some DLC packs. That is what is needed to be done. That would be an easy 1600MSP from everyone.

March 30, 2012 12:35 PM

I think, its time to say:

"Thank you. Thank you all customers for your patience and your consulting without costs for our company, all the last weeks. All the things you mentioned, will be done very soon. We are working all night long to realize all your wishes. The halffinished planes were just a test, especially the last one was a Aprils Fool. We take the completeness for granted, so don´t worry - it´ll be the content of one of the next DLCs - without any additional costs for you, who has already downloaded it.

And of course, its not the young and childish audience without money, who just join Flight to crash other users planes - No, we want you, the user with experience to bring Flight to the best Simulation on earth. Your tipps are priceless and be sure, we are glad about that. So, stay tuned, Alaska and the minimum of 5 different planes, a lot of missions and some surprises are on the way into the market...not later than eastern. Thank you all!"

Don´t you think, its time to hear something like that???

March 30, 2012 3:00 PM

Duesselwings, that would be cool, but is it okay if we don't hold our breath?

March 30, 2012 3:14 PM

I'm neither a purist or a newbie; I'm in the middle. I like the FS series and I initially liked Flight. The graphics are top notch, the settings bearable and the gameplay entertaining.

I don't like the cynical dripfeed of DLC that doesn't ever quite spend all your points; I think the world (or Hawaii), whilst initially quite good soon gets dull, as do the jobs etc. In terms of future aircraft I'd like to see different genres - a fighter plane, a commuter prop, a helicopter etc - I don't want lots of prop aircraft irrespective of their fame. And what will I do with those genres? Different types of flight - with the jet I'll go low level; the commuter will do short field landings in bumpy weather and the helicopter will be landing anywhere I can find that's tricky!

Releasing a Zero without a cockpit isn't the answer. Wherever this project is being led, it's time for a frank discussion and a volte face quite soon, or it'll be dead in 6mths.

March 30, 2012 8:05 PM

Hmm. I bought everything that Flight had to offer so far, but have been less than impressed with the offerings.  I honestly cannot believe that they would release ANY plane with no cockpit, let alone TWO.  Alaska needs: lots of new planes, at least 5, including a helicopter or two.  The community is YELLING for a jet of some sort.  The vintage aircraft are nice, I'd actually like to see some pre-WWII wacky aircraft experiments.  

Also, the concept of levelling would be nice, as well as a in-game credit or cash accumulation system to buy new paint jobs, new pilot gear, etc etc. Customers love micro-leveling but we are starting to hate DLC, it seems.  

MS FSX was released with a metric buttload of plane options: where are they here? This still feels like a beta release that we got suckered into playing and paying for.

April 2, 2012 12:00 AM

Cirrus SR22T Xi Please Microsoft Flight Add Create New Cirrus SR22T Xi DLC Ok

April 2, 2012 10:00 AM

Ooohhhh, a new plane ! Without cockpit... ... ...

Wait... And what about FINISHING THE GAME ? ATC ? AP ? No ? Or it will be available in DLC too ?

April 2, 2012 10:11 PM

I bought it, and I'm sorry I did...another hollow plane.

Look MS Flight team, I really want to like Flight as much as I did FS, and most of what you've done thus far has been really good.  But selling planes without a cockpit?  C'mon, if we wanted that, we'd just play some console arcade flight game.

I understand that you offer the game free, and make your money on the DLC, and that's fine.  Just please, don't do this to your loyal simmers.  We are a very loyal group, and intelligent to boot (which is why we play Flight, and not some arcade game).  You're off to a decent start with this, please don't make us regret supporting you (through our purchasing dollars).

I'll definitely wait before any future purchases.

April 3, 2012 10:26 AM

However I really do appreciate this game for its realism and nice graphics and so on,if you want to make a "sim", the plane NEEDS a cockpit! I was thrilled to see a warbird like the Zero, but as soon as I saw that it didn't have a cockpit and it was another hollow model, I turned around... Sorry MS, but making a sim with planes that don't have a cockpit is just silly... I am not hating on the game, but make planes that do have a cockpit. You make a hollow model, and then ask money (or points, for that matter) for it? Sorry, but a first-party add-on needs to be more detailed!!

April 4, 2012 10:13 PM

Well, all I can say is WOW. I supported Microsoft since day 1 when they first came out with the first flight simulator. I have FSX and TONS of addons for it and still love playing it.  I wanted to try MS Flight and I figured that $30.00 (on Steam) wasn't much to pay, and I did (what a dissapointment). Planes with no cockpits, lack of flight characteristics realism even with everything unchecked. MS Flight is a nice ARCADE GAME with fair graphics (good fps), I enjoy the challenges, missions & aerocashes, but who in hell brainfarted and came out with planes with no cockpit? BUT selling them on top of it??? Well, someone at Microsoft definitely has balls the size of a dumptruck. This is not the type of quality product Microsoft use to offer and before I purchase anything else for MS Flight, I'll check forums & posts.  I'll pay for Deluxe versions of planes but not the other sorry excuse for a plane without cockpits. With stupidity, one has to draw the line somewhere. Unless they review their approach with this arcade game (can't call it a simulator), this WILL be a BIG FLOP. Thank GOD for FSX.

April 5, 2012 9:13 AM

A sad day in MS Flight Sim history. See what happens if you are greedy.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO YOUR REPUTATION!!! You used to be "THE" flight simulator developer.

To be honest I would be so embarrassed if I were you.

Read the posts. No positive comments.

Who ever made all the bad decisions should be fired. Yes mister manager that's you!

April 5, 2012 8:32 PM

Microsoft...  Do not Release Planes without a Cockpit. Model a Cockpit will not be so much work....

April 6, 2012 8:15 AM

Why not make a Hang Glider flying at 50 km/h? And the islands will be greater!

Still waiting for the recipe for Grandma :)

April 7, 2012 10:48 AM

This is what happens when you fire a team that knew what they were doing and hire one that thinks they know what they are doing, and thinks they are smarter than the customer. I defended this title in anticipation of what it could offer in the future, but no longer. This is a game not a flight simulator. And not a very good game at that. Truly unfortunate.  

April 9, 2012 9:41 AM

make the P51 and zero both deluxe also let people customize a load out on the planes

April 14, 2012 3:21 PM

Really??? Thats what attacked us on pearl harbor! Why?

PC Admin
April 15, 2012 9:02 PM

I fail to see the point of including warplanes in a NON combat flight simulator. Seriously?

You add a famous plane like the Zero or Mustang with no guns for aerial combat? And you expect people to cough up 7 dollars for each? Try again.

For those of you wanting jets and more modern planes, do YOURSELF a favor, go get a flight some day in a Mustang(go to your local air shows) and see how beautiful the plane handles. Dogfights in these planes are like a beautiful, deadly ballet compared to the Jets and other craft today, where its missile everything in sight.

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